64: Yes, You CAN Knit That!
Ever gazed longingly at intricate shawls or complex sweater patterns, thinking, "I could never make that"?
Think again! In our latest HobbyScool podcast episode, we're unraveling the myth that certain knitting projects are beyond your reach.
Join us with special guest Jessica Ays, the creative mind behind Double the Stitches, as we explore how anyone – yes, anyone! – can master even the most challenging knitting techniques.
Whether you're a complete beginner or returning to knitting after years away, this episode is packed with:
Practical tips to build your confidence stitch by stitch
Secrets to tackling (and loving!) your first projects
The surprising truth about muscle memory in knitting
How to embrace and learn from your knitting mistakes
Strategies for progressing from simple scarves to intricate lace
Plus, discover how Jessica's inclusive approach to pattern design and her vibrant online community are making the fiber arts more accessible than ever.
Don't let fear of complex patterns hold you back any longer. Tune in to "Yes, You CAN Knit That!" and prepare to be inspired, encouraged, and empowered to pick up those needles and create something amazing!
Key points from the episode:
[00:04:00] Jessica explains her mission to make knitting more accessible and attainable for all skill levels
[00:08:00] Tips for beginners: Start with small projects like fingerless mitts for a sense of completion
[00:11:00] Rediscovering knitting skills: How muscle memory can help those returning to the craft
[00:13:00] Common mistakes and the importance of learning to fix your own knitting errors
[00:20:00] Jessica's process for creating clear, accessible patterns and her tips for successful knitting
Mentioned In This Episode
Where to find Jessica: Website and Facebook Group
Jessica’s gifts: FREE Printable Project Trackers and Gift Tags
Unraveling the Joy of Knitting: Insights from Double the Stitches Designer Jessica Ays
Knitting is more than just a craft – it's a journey of creativity, patience, and self-discovery. In a recent episode of the HobbyScool podcast, I sat down with Jessica Ays, the talented designer behind Double the Stitches, to explore the world of knitting and how it can bring joy and fulfillment to crafters of all skill levels.
From beginners to seasoned knitters, Jessica's insights offer valuable lessons and encouragement for anyone looking to pick up their needles and create something beautiful.
The Path to Knitting Mastery: Starting Small and Building Confidence
For those new to knitting, the prospect of creating intricate shawls or cozy sweaters can seem daunting. Jessica emphasizes the importance of starting with small, manageable projects that provide a sense of accomplishment. "A lot of instructors will have a student start with a big project. And that's not always the best thing," she explains. Instead, Jessica recommends beginning with fingerless mitts – a project that teaches basic stitches, allows for quick completion, and provides the satisfaction of creating a pair of useful accessories.
This approach not only builds confidence but also helps new knitters avoid the frustration that can come with tackling overly ambitious projects too soon. By focusing on small wins, beginners can gradually build their skills and enthusiasm for the craft.
Rediscovering Your Knitting Roots: The Power of Muscle Memory
For those who learned to knit in their youth but haven't picked up needles in years, Jessica offers encouraging words. "It's like riding a bicycle," she says, explaining how muscle memory often kicks in even after long periods away from knitting. This innate recall can be a delightful surprise for returning knitters, making the process of getting back into the craft less intimidating than they might expect.
As knitters regain their confidence, Jessica suggests moving on to projects like hats, which introduce new skills such as shaping and working in the round. This gradual progression allows crafters to build on their foundational knowledge while exploring new techniques.
Embracing Imperfection: Learning from Mistakes and Moving Forward
One of the most empowering aspects of knitting, according to Jessica, is learning how to fix your own mistakes. Many knitters fear making errors, but Jessica encourages a different perspective: "The most empowering thing that I really have learned is how to fix my own knitting mistakes."
Understanding how to correct dropped stitches or fix incorrect patterns not only improves your knitting skills but also builds confidence. Jessica's workshop, "Oops, Fix Your Own Knitting Mistakes," guides knitters through common errors and their solutions, taking the fear out of the learning process.
This approach aligns with Jessica's philosophy that "practice does not make perfection. Practice makes progress." By embracing mistakes as learning opportunities, knitters can enjoy the process more fully and continue to grow in their craft.
Breaking Down Barriers: Making Knitting Accessible to All
Jessica's passion for knitting extends beyond creating beautiful patterns – she's committed to making the craft accessible to everyone. This commitment is evident in her approach to pattern design and community building.
Her patterns go through a rigorous process of technical editing and testing to ensure clarity and accuracy. Additionally, Jessica has been working on making her patterns accessible for those with low vision, offering large-print versions and ensuring compatibility with screen readers.
The sense of community is another crucial aspect of Jessica's approach. Her Facebook group, with over 4,500 members, is described by participants as "a warm, welcoming family" where patience and kindness prevail. For those seeking even more support, Jessica offers the Stitch Society membership, which includes regular Zoom meetups, access to all her patterns and workshops, and a tight-knit community of fellow crafters.
Knitting as a Journey: Embracing the Process and the Results
Throughout the podcast, Jessica's love for knitting and her desire to share that passion with others shines through. Her encouraging words – "Be brave, give it a try. The worst that happens is that you have to start over. And that means that you get more time with your yarn." – encapsulate the joyful, process-oriented approach she brings to the craft.
Whether you're casting on your first stitches or tackling complex lace patterns, Jessica's insights remind us that knitting is as much about the journey as it is about the finished product. It's a craft that offers endless opportunities for learning, creativity, and connection – a truly timeless hobby that continues to bring joy and fulfillment to crafters around the world.
So why not pick up those needles and give knitting a try? As Jessica would say, you might just discover your new favorite corner of the "yarny internet"!
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Dr. Destini Copp [00:00:04]:
Welcome to the HobbyScool podcast. Whether you're a seasoned hobbyist or just getting started, HobbyScool is the perfect place to learn something new. My name is Dr. Destini Copp, and I'm your host of the podcast. But before we jump into our episode for today, the only thing I ask is that if you enjoy the episode, please share with a friend, and give us an honest review on your favorite podcast platform. This helps us get out the content to more people. I also wanna invite you to get on our wait list for our next HobbyScool online learning summit. These are free to attend, and you can find the link to join at hobbyscool.com, which is also in our podcast show notes. Now sit back, relax, and enjoy the episode.
Dr. Destini Copp [00:00:59]:
And my special guest today is Jessica Ays. Jessica is the designer behind Double the Stitches. She offers clear and easy to follow instructions, meaning more time enjoying your yarn and less time deciphering directions. You'll find stitch by stitch tutorial videos for uncommon techniques in her patterns, project based workshops so you can dive deeper into different topics. Jessica, I am super excited to chat with you today. Like I said before we were recording, I know absolutely nothing about knitting. I have never knitted anything in my life. So I have a ton of questions for you.
Dr. Destini Copp [00:01:43]:
But before we get started, can you tell the good audience just a little bit more about you and how you help people? I would love to, I'm so honored to
Jessica Ays [00:01:52]:
be here, Destini. Thank you for having me. It's such a treat to have an opportunity to chat with you and, to share a little bit about me with your audience too. So hi everyone. Nice to meet you. As Destini said, my name is Jessica Ayes and I am the designer and everything else at this point behind Double the Stitches. And it's a brand that started out very differently than what it is now. I started out knitting procs for newborn photographers and selling my finished knits.
Jessica Ays [00:02:22]:
And I got so very quickly burnt out creating the same thing over and over. And I knew there had to be a different way. There had to be something else to keep that spark and all of that alive. And so I pivoted to designing knitting patterns. At the time, I was also working in a local yarn store and I was teaching new crafters how to knit, how to crochet and all of that. And I would scribble on a piece of paper directions to knit their first blanket after they learned the basic stitches, the knit stitch and the purl stitch, they wanted to know what could we create with this. So scribbling, you know, over and over the same pattern that was in my head on scrap paper to give them. And the yarn store owner said that this is silly, Jessica.
Jessica Ays [00:03:10]:
She said, type it up, you know, turn it into something polished, something professional, and you can sell it. And then you have the option. You can gift it to your students, you know, your in person students, if you choose or anyone else, but at least it's out there and it's something real and you don't have to go through this process of, you know, reinventing it every single time that you go to jot it down for, for your students. And so that was what set me on my journey to creating knitting patterns. The world that was January 2020, not knowing what was going to come next in, in our world. And the timing just worked out nicely because I was then home with my children, was able to be there for them, to support them and, and all of that. And then I pivoted into teaching workshops because one of the things that I missed from working in the yarn store was that ability to share my knowledge, to share my love for knitting, to share that moment with someone where they are struggling. And then suddenly, finally, something clicks and they get it.
Jessica Ays [00:04:13]:
And that that spark of understanding of, you know, absorbing that knowledge and being able to apply it for future projects was something that was missing. And so I found that through virtual, online workshops. And so I've taught live workshops. I have on demand workshops. So you can learn at your own pace. You can learn, you can go back and rewind and fast forward. If I'm too slow, you can speed me up. If I'm too fast, you can slow me down and you can, you know, learn along with me because I really do believe that everyone deserves that joy and fulfillment that comes from crafting, that comes from knitting.
Jessica Ays [00:04:54]:
And so my mission is to take this timeless craft and make it more accessible and more attainable for knitters of all skill levels. And I want to empower you to explore the world of knitting with confidence, with joy. And I want to provide the resources that you need to succeed whenever you need them. And that's the beauty of the knitting patterns that you can work on, you know, from the comfort of your couch or your favorite cozy spot in the house. And also the workshops that teach you the techniques that take your you by the hand and lead you from never having tried it to feeling comfortable. You know, maybe not mastery, I like to say, and I learned this, outlook from my son's teacher when he was in 1st grade. And she said that practice does not make perfection. Practice makes progress.
Jessica Ays [00:05:45]:
And so that is how I try to, to live my life and how I try to, you know, imbue that with my students to share that outlook with them. That, you know, we forget, I think as adults, what it's really like to try something for the first time, to not be good at something. We're not good at that at as grown ups. We're used to you know, we know how to walk. We know how to drive. We know how to cook. We know how to bake. We know how to do all of these things.
Jessica Ays [00:06:13]:
But since we pick up these hobbies and these crafts, and we feel intimidated by them, or we feel like we'll never be good at it, but you you're not necessarily good at something the first time you try it. You have to keep at it, stick with it and keep trying. And that's what gives you the, the progress in towards perfection. But nobody's really perfect. Right? For sure. And I can
Dr. Destini Copp [00:06:37]:
tell you that I'm certainly not. But, Jessica, thank you for so much for sharing that inspiring story with us. And I love the quote that you're giving us, which is practice makes progress. And I love that. Love that story. Now I have gone to your website and I have seen all of these, you know, beautiful creations that people can make using your patterns and, you know, with your workshops and all that good stuff. And I'm I'm so very interested in that and kinda dipping my toes in that. I think one I saw was like a toboggan and then some like shawl wraps and but they were just so, so beautiful.
Dr. Destini Copp [00:07:15]:
If somebody like me who has never done this before in their entire life, where would you suggest I get started if I kinda just wanted to dip my toes into knitting just to see if I like it?
Jessica Ays [00:07:29]:
Just to see if you like it. So I don't a lot of instructors will have a student start with a big project, and that's not always the best thing. I like to start with small projects because it gives you that sense of completion of success of starting and finishing something. If you cast on and which is putting the stitches on the needle to begin knitting, and you go to knit a scarf or blanket as your very first project, you are going to be frustrated. You're going to be bored. You're not going to see an end in sight and you may not even get to the point of finishing. I'll tell a quick story. It was that my mom is not really a super crafty person, but when she was, you know, young and married, just recently married and she was commuting on the bus and it was like an hour each way.
Jessica Ays [00:08:24]:
And someone that was also taking that same ride with her was knitting and she was interested in the idea of it. And so they brought her yarn and they brought her needles and they showed her how to start the project. And she's going to make a scarf for my dad. And so she knit the whole scarf and she kept going, and then the person wasn't on the bus for a while. And so she just kept knitting and knitting and adding more yarn and adding more yarn. And then she had this like 9 foot scarf because she was waiting for someone to show her how to finish it, how to end it off. And she didn't know what to do. So she just kept going.
Jessica Ays [00:08:58]:
So I don't want anyone to knit a 9 foot scarf. Fingerless knits are one of my favorite projects because you can knit a small rectangle and sew it up on the side. And that gives you the ability to learn a few different stitches. And it gives you the ability to put the stitches on the needle to practice for a few inches, you know, 5, 6, 7 inches or so, and then to learn how to end it. And then the best thing about that is then you have to make the other one. So you get to reinforce those skills and start over to make sure that you remember how do you put the stitches on the needle? How do you knit the different stitches in the pattern? How do you end it off? And there is a great free pattern out there. I'll share the link. It's not one of my patterns, but it's one that I use often in my, in my teaching.
Jessica Ays [00:09:51]:
And that's a great place to start.
Dr. Destini Copp [00:09:53]:
I love that. So a fingerless mitten is what you're describing to me. I I've I don't know that I've ever seen one, but I know I think I've seen, like, the fingerless gloves, but you're saying a fingerless mitten would be easier to start with.
Jessica Ays [00:10:06]:
Same thing. The I I just used the word mitten, but, yeah, no fingers. So it's a rectangle that would has an opening. So you sew it up along the thumb side, so it has an opening for the thumb and then one opening for the other fingers.
Dr. Destini Copp [00:10:20]:
I love that. I love that. So let's say there's somebody just a little bit farther along, maybe they've kinda dabbled in it or maybe they did it when they were younger and they wanna get back into it. What would you suggest for them?
Jessica Ays [00:10:33]:
So the one thing I wanna mention, and I found this so often when I was, working in the yarn shop, especially is that a lot of people learned maybe at their grandmother's knee when they were 7 or 8 years old, they needed to keep them busy and out of trouble And they learned to, you know, to knit from, from someone in their life. And then they put it down and they hadn't touched it for many, many years. We had a lot of people that would come into the store when I worked there that were, you know, recently retired. And now they had all of this time and they were looking for a hobby. So what could they do? So they came in wanting to learn to knit and they said, oh, I haven't touched the yarn and the needles for so many years And I'm, I'm gonna be terrible at this. And so we would sit down with them. We'd give them the yarn and the needles and they would, their hands just knew what to do. It's like riding a bicycle.
Jessica Ays [00:11:26]:
So if you haven't done it for a while, but you did it as a child, I think that you'll be surprised. You may need a little practice as far as, you know, how to tension the yarn to keep it even and all of that. But the skill is really baked in there, like riding a bike. And that muscle memory is such a wonderful thing that we don't realize that that we have. And for a next project, if you are comfortable with those basic stitches, the knits and the purls, I really think that the world kind of is your oyster, as long as you have some tutorials or some support to back you up. And I think that a hat is a next great project because at that point you can then learn how to do some shaping. So if you start at the bottom of the hat and then you need to make fewer stitches to decrease your stitches
Dr. Destini Copp [00:12:19]:
to work the top of
Jessica Ays [00:12:20]:
the hat, that's another new skill that you're learning. And it's a great way also to learn how, instead of knitting on straight needles, you can also add in the skill of working in the round without any seams. I love that. So we all have that muscle memory in us.
Dr. Destini Copp [00:12:36]:
So if we've done it before, we're gonna remember. As you were talking about that, I was thinking about, yeah, this applies to so many things, whether it's like playing tennis or riding a bike like you mentioned or playing golf and doing all those things that we may have done or done as a child and we're wanting to pick it up as a golf as an adult. So let me ask you this. What mistakes do you see people making, or are there mistakes that they make when they're knitting and what would you suggest they do?
Jessica Ays [00:13:04]:
One mistake I feel that people make often is being intimidated, I think. There's a lot of, I was telling you before we joined everyone for the podcast, but there's some gatekeeping in some industries, some crafts. Knitting is one of them where someone who tried something once and found it a little bit difficult to tell the newer knitter, oh, you could never do that. You're too new. And I really do believe that anyone can really knit anything with a little bit of support, a little bit of guidance, a little bit of help. The most empowering thing that I really have learned is how to fix my own knitting mistakes. And those are things like dropping my stitches off the needle, making a stitch that leans in the wrong direction or an incorrect stitch. And those are the I do a workshop for that called the Oops, Fix Your Own Knitting Mistakes.
Jessica Ays [00:14:02]:
And that guides you through how step by step, how to fix some of those most common mistakes. And that takes a lot of the fear out of, out of learning a new skill. If you can go back and you can fix something that went wrong, then that helps you feel more confident in yourself and in your skills. And there is that, that fear. People tend to be terrified or hate the idea of having to rip out their work when they've made a mistake. And that's the beautiful thing about knitting is that if with a little bit of guidance, and if you know how you don't actually have to, if you make a mistake, you can actually undo stitches in part of your project, go back down, fix that mistake and work back up so that you are now at the even row with all the other stitches on your needle, and then you can just keep going with your project from there.
Dr. Destini Copp [00:14:55]:
Oh, I love that. So if I understand you correctly, like I said, I know nothing about this. Even in if you're at maybe even to the to the end of a project, then you see something that you're not quite happy with and you wanna go back and fix it, it's easy to go back and fix it and just it doesn't mess up your entire project?
Jessica Ays [00:15:12]:
It is possible. If you're at the very end of a big project, like, say, a blanket, it might be a little bit difficult. And depending on the stitches, something that is, you know, an intricate lace pattern might be a little bit harder to do that with. But I had a student of mine. Her name is Sally and she had been knitting this beautiful cabled sweater for her granddaughter. And it was supposed to be a birthday gift for her granddaughter. And she found that it had cables, you know, on the body of the sweater. And then it had cables on the sleeve and she found on one of the sleeves that one of the cables went in the wrong direction.
Jessica Ays [00:15:50]:
Cables they'll lean left and they'll lean right. And she made a mistake on one of the sleeves, like halfway, like by the elbow. And she was so upset because her daughter, her granddaughter's birthday was coming up that week. And then she took my Oops, Fix Your Mistakes class, and she was able to undo the sleeve from the cuff all the way to the elbow and fix that cable. And she was able to give her granddaughter the custom handmade cabled sweater in time on her birthday. So that's one of my success stories.
Dr. Destini Copp [00:16:20]:
I I love that story. I love the feel good stories. And I wanna go back to that gatekeeping con comment that you made. And I've gone to your web site like I said and I saw some very and they look like intricate designs to me like a shawl and it was cute, absolutely beautiful there. Would you say that anybody with practice and really, you know, if they were determined, they could knit about anything that you have on your website?
Jessica Ays [00:16:48]:
I think so with a little bit of of, you know, support along the way. The thing about knitting is that most of the stitches really do come just from the 2 basic stitches of a knit stitch and a purl stitch. So one makes like a V and one makes a bump and then putting the yarn over the needle without a stitch. And that creates what's called a yarn over and that makes a hole in your knitting. So even the most intricate lace patterns are really a foundation of understanding your knit stitch and your purl stitch and placing those yarn overs instead of mistakes, placing the holes in the right places to create the, the beautiful designs. And I really do try. I have, you know, different levels of patterns, of course, but I do try to only create things that I think others will enjoy the process of knitting. And I try to create things where often you can use 1 ball of yarn, or you can keep going and you can customize it a little bit and make it, say for a shawl example, you can make a little small shawl or you can keep going and make something much more generous in size that, you know, wraps around you and all of it.
Jessica Ays [00:18:03]:
So I try to build that in. The other thing that I do is not all of my patterns, but some of my patterns I have been working towards adding accessibility to them, meaning that they are accessible for those with low vision. So often I'll have the, you know, pretty PDF download with the pictures and all of that. And I try to keep my font sizes, you know, kind of on the larger side, say a a 12 point instead of maybe a 9 point font that you might find in a magazine. But I also create with a lot of my patterns, a second additional PDF, and those are accessible for those with low vision. They can be read out loud to you using a screen reader. There are fancy softwares out there, but you can even use Adobe Acrobat Reader and you can have it read it to you page by page. And so if you know the stitches, but you're just struggling to know what the pattern is telling you to do, you can actually have something as simple and free as Adobe Acrobat read the pattern to you.
Jessica Ays [00:19:11]:
I have knitters in my community who are not at that point where they need something read to them, but, you know, as we all get older, our things get a little smaller on the page. Right? Well, I definitely can relate to that. So Those are in instead of a 12 point font there, you know, a 22 point or 24. So it's many multiple pages, but some people prefer, you know, that and not having to struggle with what does that say. I was giving my my son cough medicine the other day, and I couldn't believe how small it seemed that the font had gotten unbelievable.
Dr. Destini Copp [00:19:45]:
I know I always have my kids. Can you read this medicine bottle?
Jessica Ays [00:19:49]:
Because I can't read how much I'm supposed to give you. Okay? Someone said the secret to that is using your phone to take a picture and then you can zoom in. That's a really good tip. I'm gonna have
Dr. Destini Copp [00:20:00]:
to try that next time. Now, Jessica, I wanna get into, a little bit more detail about your resources, your Facebook group, and everything else. But before I do that, do you have any last minute tips for the audience?
Jessica Ays [00:20:15]:
Be brave. Give it a try. The worst that happens is that you have to start over, And that means that you get more time with your yarn. So, you know, we're so afraid of making mistakes and that, I mean, I guess echoes a little bit of what I was saying before, but I find so many knitters are, you know, spend more time worrying than they need to. And so give it a try, trust the pattern, trust the instructions. All of my patterns after I write them, they go through a whole review process. So they go to a technical editor who goes through and makes sure that what I've written makes sense. She then goes through and she checks all of the math to make sure that everything adds up that the math maths, as we like to say, and then they're tested by other knitters of varying levels of skills to make sure that, you know, maybe there's a sentence that I put in there that maybe didn't make, wasn't crystal clear to them.
Jessica Ays [00:21:13]:
So I like to have others review the pattern before I put it out into the world so that I can catch those things before to make that knitting experience more generous, more, I'm sorry, not more generous to make it more enjoyable, to make your knitting experience more enjoyable. And my other tip is that if you're trying to make sure that something fits, you want to measure something called gauge, and that tells you how many stitches are in each inch. Typically in a pattern, it will tell you how many stitches are over 4 inches. And if you're trying to make a hat or you're trying to make a sweater or any other type of wearable item and you want it to fit the intended person, you want to make sure that your numbers are matching the numbers in the pattern so that it will turn out as something that fits. You know, I've seen knitters make hats that we then turned into a bowl. We turned it upside down because there was no head in existence that was that size. Those are some worth that time.
Dr. Destini Copp [00:22:16]:
Yeah. So those are some great tips and motivation for us. I want to let folks know where they can find you. I know you have a Facebook group and you also have a free gift for them also. So can you tell us a little bit more about those?
Jessica Ays [00:22:33]:
Absolutely. So the free gifts, I actually have 2 gifts for you. And, Destini's gonna share the link to that in the show notes, I believe.
Dr. Destini Copp [00:22:43]:
Yes. I will. For sure.
Jessica Ays [00:22:45]:
Yes. So as a thank you for joining me for this listening to the podcast and for being part of Destini's Wonderful Community, I have 2 free printable gifts for you to help you simplify your knitting life. So one of them is what I call project tracker cards and they print forward to a page and you can cut them out and they help you make notes that you can put in your bag with your yarn and your needles. So you remember who you were knitting it for and what size it was and whoops, you need more yarn, but what color were you using or what dye lot were you using? So those are for you. There's, I believe there's a page for knitting and for crochet, but the real difference is just whether it says, needle size or yarn hook, but the general information is transferable across both, both crafts. And they have saved me personally countless times. I know that they'll do the same for you. And it just helps them as you pull your needles out of a project to go work on something else that maybe has a more pressing timeframe, And then you forget what needle size or hook size you were using in that project, in that bag that you put aside.
Jessica Ays [00:23:57]:
This will help you be able to get back to your project and not worry that something's gonna be off. And then the other special gift that I have for you is printable gift tags that you can use for your handmade gifts. And those are not just for holidays, but it can be for, you know, a birthday or just a special way to say to someone that you care about, that you were thinking of them. So you can let them know also on that tag, there's a place to include how to care for your work of art so that it won't get accidentally ruined in the laundry. There's, you know, care instructions depending on whether your yarn is acrylic or wool or cotton and those will be on the label of your yarn ball so you can share that with your gift recipient there. So you can, go to that link that you'll find in the show notes and just add your, you know, your name and your email address, and those gifts will be on their way to you.
Dr. Destini Copp [00:24:53]:
And Jessica too, you have a Facebook group where you have your community just absolutely loves you. They've, you know, been been together for a while. They support each other. I'm gonna also put that link in the show notes too. I encourage everybody to connect with Jessica. Get on her email list. She sells knitting patterns. She has, double the stitches pattern club.
Dr. Destini Copp [00:25:17]:
You have a lot of resources available for people who want to, either dip their toes into knitting or really just take their skills to the next level. And Jessica, thank you so much for joining me today and all of the wonderful tips that you shared with us.
Jessica Ays [00:25:35]:
Thank you so much for having me, Destini. It was really lovely to get to chat with you And I can't wait to invite some of your audience into my Facebook community. As you mentioned, it is ever growing. We are at over 4,500 members right now in the group. And I was just asking them this morning, what do you love about the group? And they said, it's like a warm, welcoming family and everyone is so patient and kind. It's my favorite little corner of the Yarny, internet. So I'd love to have you join there. And I also have my Stitch Society membership.
Jessica Ays [00:26:09]:
If you are looking for more support and more of a tight knit community, we get together on zoom twice a month. You get access to all my patterns and workshops and all of that is included in membership. So I'll share that link with with you all as well. Thank you, Jessica. Thank you, Destini.
Dr. Destini Copp [00:26:34]:
Thank you so much for listening today. Don't forget to sign up for the wait list so you'll be the first to know when our next free HobbyScool Online Learning Summit launches. The link is in the show notes for this episode, or you can go to hobbieschool.com, and that's HobbyScool with school without an h in it. Talk soon.